User talk:EdJogg

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Steam Fairs

How about a category scheme for them? I'm adding a stubby page for Torbay Steam Fair right now. I have a wonderfully ironic picture I have to find for it! Tim Trent 21:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Do I take it from your adjustment to the main page text that my little list has caused the entire website to evolve? (This wasn't my intention, honest guv!)
I can see from your additions how Steam Fairs can fit in here -- I ought to add an Event and Page for GDSF! (That is, if the site is now officially encompassing Traction Engines and the like...) Incidentally, Torbay Steam Fair 2008 only has one date cat - shouldn't it have three, one for each day the event is on?
When I added the list, it occurred to me that the hierarchy of the 'Announcements' and 'Events' cats would be better the other way round. That would give us a Main Cat for 'Events', which I think users would be more likely to look at. ('Announcements' sounds a little more 'internal' in scope.)
If we're going to do this properly, I think a "Steam Portal" would be a good idea, sitting on the main page by the Thomas one. (Not sure of the best name though -- the term 'traction engine' is not universally recognised worldwide, and 'steam traction portal' does not imply road traction... Naming - a long-standing problem I have at WP!!)
A cat tree for steamy stuff will be a good idea. I have a draft tree set up for WP, but have never got round to rolling it out... Will have to think about it.
EdJogg 01:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
It was about time we expanded gently! And that typo was my not spill chucking the quote I grabbed from their website!. Hmm. "Non rail steam"? "Steam haulage"? "The Steamy Side of Life"?
Will try the dates and see if it breaks it :)
Tim Trent 07:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I can't see a downside to the three dates being present, except in the special page where the same event appears three times. That minor downside doesn't bother me at all. Tim Trent 08:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
...although it does mean that Nov 2007 shows four copies of the entire SWRS page :(.
(I'm beginning to understand how this strange 'Calendar' creature works!) I wasn't aware of that page before. It is present on a 'More>>' link on the LH toolbar, but I think a more prominent position on the main page is called for as well. (I see the main role of the Main Page as a guide into the rest of the site, rather than just featuring interesting content.)
"Non-rail Steam" is certainly accurate, so it's worth considering; "Steam haulage", I would have said, more implies rail than road (although I do not have a problem with linking to both road and rail from the same "Steam Portal" -- maybe we just go the simple route and call it that?); "The Steamy Side of Life", yes, well...
I had thought of calling my top-level WP cat "Steamy Stuff", but I don't think that would go down too well! "Steam" is not accurate enough; "Steam Engines" already exists, but scope is too narrow; so my current idea is "Steam Power". At WP, there is a redirect from Steam power to Steam engine, so it's kind of appropriate. Once you have your top-level cat, the rest is fairly easy. (I just haven't allowed myself the whole evening I'd need to make a serious dent in this task at WP - probably would need to use AWB, which I haven't tried before.)
EdJogg 09:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Happy to see the main page taken and shaken as often as needed :)
Steam haulage implies road first and foremost to me, so agriculture and ploughing engines would seem lost. Though we have "Steam hauled" trains, haulage always feels to be road transport, and Wynns, or Pickfords, but somehow never Eddie Stobart!
Go with your instinct.
Tim Trent 17:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Image:Irony at Torbay Steam Fair 2007.jpg was really far too easy. That irony is everywhere nowadays. Tim Trent 21:12, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Thomas userbox

EdJogg, I made a Thomas userbox so you'll be able to copy it if you like. :) --S.C.Ruffeyfan 19:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I have, although you'll see that I've had to tweak the wording just ever-so-slightly :o) EdJogg 10:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
There's also a RWS one. --S.C.Ruffeyfan 18:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I was going to create one myself, but I'll add it in due course... I see you're using my 'variant' TtTE&F user box...
EdJogg 21:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


Hi Pete,

As you may have noticed, I too have been doing some stuff with the events. Tbh, I think it is a mess. What i want to know, is is it still possible for an event to be an event withouht having to add the events cat? cos that cat is a mess...

Bluegoblin7 17:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I am gradually understanding how to get the best out of the events system, and I am now reasonably happy with the setup for the SWRS events. My intention was to create a 'frame'-type template, similar to {{Railfan convention}} which would include all the essential information, plus a map, directions, etc. However, I need to consider how this will appear on Special:Events.
I think Category:Events should be reserved for current/forthcoming events only. Hence we need to clear the past events to Category:2007 Events. That will tidy what is there. Apart from that, could you explain a little more what you are wanting to do?
EdJogg 17:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
That is partly what I wish to do, except that when I tried to remove an event from Events, it is no longer an event. That cat is a mess, and articles should be sorted into their year.
As you have seen, I have already started on the temps, and I just wish to expand on this further, and organise it a lot more.
Bluegoblin7 15:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
If you're wanting to see past events as 'Events' in the calendar, then you'll either have to put up with Category:Events being very full and cluttered, or talk nicely to Tim and see if there's a way round it. Depends how we think people might use 'Events'. I am happy to see it de-linked as a top-level cat if we are to direct people via the sidebar link, in which case it can be stuffed full with all events, and not just current/future ones.
Something to discuss at the cafe, methinks!
EdJogg 21:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok. That explains it. All we need to do now is migrate past events to the appropriate cats!Bluegoblin7 10:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Protection level

Hi. I noticed you fully protected Template:Main Page Header Bar. Could you please semi protect it at least until the new main page is fully completed. In my opinion by fully protecting it, you're removing the freedom of the wiki as there are currently very few active registered users on this project and even fewer of them can edit fully protected pages. If there is a problem, please contact me. Thanks very much. Tbo 157 16:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Have done Tbo... Tbh i didnt really see the point in that edit EdJogg...unless someone was going to bother looking at the page Syntax, which if there a vandal i would doubt... there more likely to blank it! Bluegoblin7 17:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
PS EdJogg, quick nudge about FURs on images... its now December... Bluegoblin7 17:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
In some ways I would like to see the site restored to non-registered users, in which case, three levels of protection are in order. As we are at present, I set the protection level to match the Main Page itself. The page is only actually 'protected' if it is set to sysop-only. (Of course there is the small chance that it was unprotected but labelled with a protection template, in which case the correct thing to do is protect it! :o) )
EdJogg 20:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Mind if I jump in re unregistered users? So woudl I, but we had a rush of bot based vandalism I could not keep up with, so we slammed the door on it. Tim Trent Talk to me 20:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, yes. I had forgotten it was bot-based. So, how does WP cope with it? It must be handled automatically...
(Another thread that needs to be rehomed to the cafe...!)
EdJogg 21:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Wp solves it with anti vandal bots. But we can't. Why not? Because the bots use IRC as a communications mechanism and our data centre prohibits all forms of IRC. Tim Trent Talk to me 21:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Image FURs

Hi EdJogg,

Just a friendly reminder about FURs. You told me to nudge you if December came, and you hadn't done them, so *nudge nudge*


Bluegoblin7 15:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you.
Just this lunchtime I started sketching out ideas for the template I need to use. There are 41 books in The Railway Series, and the FUR will be almost identical for all. Watch out for {{FUR - Railway Series book cover}} appearing soon...
EdJogg 16:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok - just thought i'd check ud remembered!
Oh and i've put a response on the Events section above
Bluegoblin7 16:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The RfA process

Hi. As a regular user, I thought Id point you to the ongoing discussion at Trains talk:Requests for adminship. Thanks. Tbo 157 22:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Ello Govnah, :) Noticed you changed a few cats around. I wasn't sure what format you guys wanted to use on cat names so if you decide to do some jockeying around and or deleting unused cats go right ahead. Just trying to crank in as much content as I can get to get things started. I just did a revamp on all the common EMD templates. So feel free to fix those cats too. :) --DP67 (talk/contribs) 10:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply about events...

Hi Pete,

Have made probably the last reply in the events thread - i will get on and do it now!

Bluegoblin7 10:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Major tidy up...

Hi EdJogg,

As can be seen, i've tidied up the events - what do you think?

Now, before we get to established and full, i think it is time for a major sort out.

a)do we need all those top level cats?
b)if so, how can we tell people more about them
c)we need to delete all the unused pages and help areas before there forgotten
d)we need to get one project done before starting on another (partly my bad!)

WHat do you think?

Bluegoblin7 16:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Events, looks OK, need to have more events in now! Further development can take place organically.
Top-level cats are probably OK listed as such within the cats themselves. From the Main Page we need to direct people to pages rather than cats.
Unused pages?
Unfinished pages should be worked on area-by-area. Suggest you list them at ToDo.
Projects, one-at-a-time -- yes!
EdJogg 19:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok will do. I think i'll also take this to the cafe...but which section? hmmmmm...
By unused pages i mean the old main page ones, but they just need to be sourced!!!
Bluegoblin7 20:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed newsletter

You might be interested in the discussion at Trains:Station Cafe (Left Luggage)#Newsletter for the wiki... where there is a discussion for a proposed newsletter. Thanks. Tbo 157 20:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Allowing anonymous edits...

Hi EdJogg,

We just wondered what your input was on the above topic. The only place we seem to succeed here is on the Thomas articles. Please contribute to the discussion on User talk:Bluegoblin7 on my talk page, with your thoughts, and then whether you support or oppose the gesture.


BG7 18:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


You may or may not have seen my post about a way around the IRC problem. Just out of interest, can you actually do a bot? Or, perhaps the guys who run the wiki at your work could enlighten us? Thanks, BG7 01:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you. I have never used a bot, although I've seen plenty in action. (Once or twice when I've ben doing big category sorts it has occurred to me that a bot might be useful...) So I cannot assess whether your idea will work. (But posting it at The Works is the right place.)
Also, I suspect that my work colleague will not be able to help. Our Wiki is a very simple affair, with probably less than ten pages so far. I don't remember seeing a template yet, let alone a bot!
Good luck though.
EdJogg 08:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


Please discuss at Trains:Station Cafe (Mess Room)#Simplicity. We only have a small community and every users input is valuable. Thank you very much. Tbo 157 12:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Technical help needed

This is driving me crazy.

Please look at user in IE. in FF it displays well, but in IE.... O M G!

I've been tearing my hair out and I can't spot it. The OMG affects many pages so it has to be (presumably) a template, but I still can't spot it.

The reason it's relevant here is that PSW also brings in advertising revenue. Or rather it does not. And now I can see why! (I am a FF user).

The revenue it will bring will lead us towards better server horsepower for all wikis.

If you can't help, perhaps you would pass the ball to Slambo?

Tim Trent Talk to me 10:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, your first clue is that commenting-out Template:Tl:Aircontent removes the OMG factor.
Second clue is that the Tnavbar is not working correctly -- should have 'v.d.e' on left and '[Hide] on right -- it is not justifying the text, and a cursory look doesn't show a reason. (Of course, if Tnavbar was located at SpottingWorld rather than PSW, you'd only have to debug it once.
Third, it looks like a recursive call, in which each larger font size is made yet bigger.
Nothing else obvious there (or in sub-templates) at present.
EdJogg 02:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Scary, isn't it. What is really scary is that it works on WP.
If we can work out a scheme to locate templates up at SW then I'm game!
Tim Trent Talk to me 14:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
It looks like two templates: swplane:template:Aircontent amd swplane:Template:Aircraft specifications. I've sys-opped you there in case it helps, and commented out the business end of the templates (inside each template), but I can't spot it inside them.
When testing, remember that accursed job queue Tim Trent Talk to me 14:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to get your hopes up (just wanted to put a marker in the Recent Changes list!) I've had a quick look at those excessive templates, but no further clues apparent. I notice you've asked for expert help, and I think you'll need it in this case. EdJogg 00:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
They are an example of the WP concept of producing arcane and complex crap instead of simple stuff. The right solution may be to remove the elegant coding and simplify the brutes. I'll think some more. Tim Trent Talk to me 09:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
It was mismatched H3 open and close tags. I tried to fix it on WP, too, but a nice chap reverted it! I shan't bother to fix it there again! Tim Trent Talk to me 10:07, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Slough loco 3

Hello EdJogg,

Just thought i'd let you know that i've put your request for info on the above in the next issue of the TJ.


BG7 12:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Although, if it's alright with you, I won't hold my breath! While editor of the SWRS newsletter I got in contact with the MHR, but the request brought nothing new to light.
We know the lubricator was fitted to an Austerity tank, somewhere, and the bell's location is also known. But who took the chimney, and how do you lose a smokebox door???? (These questions may never be answered...)
EdJogg 13:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi EdJogg,

Your first problem may have been as there were two lots of thing there - i tried to use <noinclude></noincludes> but they didnt work. It was removed to my sandbox. AS for the others, i just chucked together a quick template. I've got a better, smaller one, similar to WPs, on the go in my Sandbox, so have a look there if you want to see it.

BG7 18:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I was just about to write to you about this. 'fraid I was just BOLD and hid the duplicates! I've had a look at the sandbox, and the current version doesn't appear to be very useful yet. I am concerned that the quantity of text preceding the filter controls (which are useful) will push the latest recent changes so far down the screen that I have to scroll before I can see anything useful (remember I am not using a huge screen, and others may be using even smaller...) Feel free to experiment, but please remember that is my main 'changes' tool here and I look at it a lot (so I will be fussy about any changes applied!!)
EdJogg 18:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Yep no problems. I too use a smaller than normal browser as i have a lot of toolbars from various programs/free emails, and i just cant be bothered to get rid of them (and there all useful - Yahoo custom buttons, Google Google Reader, MSN is my hotmail!
The temp will need a lot of work anyway before it goes "live" - its still an almost exact copy of Wps.
BG7 18:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
PS - seeing as you use Recent Changes, you might be interested in this. It doesnt link anywhere yet, but give it time, and i'm sure it will...
PS - perhaps - but with the increased throughput here I am skipping more and more changes, mostly other users' content and project changes. Eventually I'll revert to watchlist and hope nothing important happens! EdJogg 19:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Well yes with a bit of luck i will do that eventually. When we grow and have many edits a minute...
I already bypass the Thomas and FanFic edits unless there to do with something i've been sorted out, and i can't be bothered to click mark as patrolled. I do look at new users however. But normally they are Thomas users, and as Thomas interests me in no way whatsoever, i can't normally tell the difference. Especially with FanFic!
19:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I must admit that I tend to ignore most of the Thomas stuff myself. There are enough 'Thomas' editors to keep an eye on things, so I can just keep a distant watch on The Railway Stories articles, which are the 'real' Thomas stories...
As for the fan fic stiff, I usually check the first edit of a new user, just to make sure they aren't writing anything inappropriate for younger readers...
EdJogg 22:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


Hello. Is it possible to semi protect like in WP, so that established users can edit pages to avoid every project page becoming sysop only. Thanks. Class91 20:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello Class 91. I'm not sure if youre aware but IPs can't actually edit on the wiki at the moment, so semi-protection isnt really any use. We only try and fully protect pages when it's absolutely necessary. Is there a page you particularly want to edit? If so, then if you let me know I'll happliy either make the edits for you or temporarily unprotect the page if it needs to be protected. If it doesnt need to be protected i'll unprotect it permanantly.
If it's going to be regular, why don't you self nom yourself at AfA/RfA? Or i'd be happy to nominate you.
BG7 20:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Pages that really need protecting, such as Policy pages and widely-used templates, should be fully-protected (ie sysop-only), since it is easy for someone of malicious intent to obtain a username and start causing much trouble. Other pages CAN be semi-protected, if felt appropriate. It may be that certain templates/pages should be marked as (semi-)protected so that in the unlikely event that anon edits are re-instated, the pages are already protected, even though it has no effect at present.
Protection is often 'inherited' from WP, if a page is copied, for example. Please identify any pages that you think may have incorrect protection.
EdJogg 23:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Protection is not inherited. When the template or page is imported unless someone removes it, it still carries the protection template but it is not really protected as the import does not set the protection flag for that article in the DB. If you don't set that it may say it's protected but it's not really.
--DP67 (talk/contribs) 22:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, that's kinda what I was implying. Templates are copied here, complete with protection template, so these templates should either be honoured at TSW and the page protected (manually), or the template removed as erroneous. I have usually protected an identified template after copying.
EdJogg 00:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Fan-Fic Hornby

Hey, Pete, I noticed that editors are adding their speculations for Hornby. Should we start a page for fan fic Hornby? --S.C.Rf 18:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi SC, I say go for it - we have Bachmann, and we have infoboxes for individual models. Or, perhaps a page such as FanFic:Models or similar would be better, as it can take in Lima, Bachmann, Dapol, Farish, Hornby etc.
BG7 18:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Either would be OK, although a page covering all model maunfacturers might be less repetitious. Anything that keeps the FanFic away from the real content...
What would be even better, perhaps, is a page for 'most-wanted models'. If you read model railway magazines you will know that there are many models that have not been produced in ready-to-run form, but are dearly wanted by modellers. (Note, I am not talking about 'Thomas' stuff now.) The Q1 and the Class 17 diesel were at the top of the steam and diesel lists for many years...
EdJogg 09:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Well probably we could use Fanfic: Models and Fanfic: Models (Thomas and Friends) as a basis for TTTE fans and real engine fans to make their ideas. Whaddya think? --S.C.Rf 18:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd go for Category:FanFic Models linking to all of them, then FanFic:Bachmann Models, FanFic:Hornby Models etc. as the pages, with headers in front of them with the ranges. See my sandbox for what I mean. BG7 19:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi EdJogg,

The reason why we have a link to Planes at the top is becuase it is miserably failing. There is just one active user (who only appeared today), and we need more. Trains is fine - we have a great community, and lots of content.

I really don't want to get into an edit war over this, but I have reverted you, as I feel, for the benefit of ALL wikis, we need users at Planes.

After all, if we dont get users at Planes, and therefore no revenue, then doesnt that impact Trains with server, speed etc?

Tbo (talk · contribs) (the new Tbo157) also feels strongly about this.


BG7 11:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

'Trains' is succeeding because a number of editors have been attracted over from Wikipedia and are spending time getting the wiki ship-shape. It's been going nearly a year now and is just starting to take on its own identity. However, this is also to the detriment of Wikipedia: any contributor to both sites has a finite time available; increased time improving one must mean reduced time improving the other. For that reason it is vital that we are not seen to be trying to poach WP editors, as it would not take much for TSW to be 'black-listed' and have any links instantly removed. We want the subtle approach, where editors can find us through following interesting links or carefully-worded talk page comments (ie relating to the article in question, not just blatant advertising!)
I would not want to start an edit war over the sitenotice, of course, but the feature is potentially quite powerful and needs to be used with great care. While it will be good that 'Planes' takes off (sorry, dreadful pun, I realised, after thinking it...) and there will be benefits reflected back to Trains, I am doubtful how useful cross-advertising might be (do you have an equivalent banner at 'Planes'?) New users finding Trains are unlikely to be looking for Planes, and vice versa. Equally, I suspect that most fans of one are not going to be fans of the other (although a number of my SWRS friends appear to be so afflicted).
I will try not to make a big thing of this, but I am trying to be a 'moderator' too, so you need to be careful about what is placed in the banner, and when. Remember that it takes up viewing space, making the site less useful (even if only marginally so), and its continual presence will make it less effective and more annoying to regular users. (Have you looked at a 'hide' option?) You also need to watch for 'Conflict of Interest' issues too: I was not at all convinced by the recent 'Best Train'/'Best Tram' business in the first place, but its appearance in the site notice certainly rankled. Remember that you don't 'own' the site notice.
In due course we will need to write some kind of policy for its use, if only to avoid issues when there are many administrators here each keen to promote their own particular 'thing'.
EdJogg 12:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello EdJogg. I came back to help Bluegoblin on various things but I probably won't be actively participating in much. Regarding the sitenotice, I think it should really only be used for spottingworld project related notices as Wikipedia does. Regarding promotion of spottingworld, a lot of users find the site through subtle references to it in AfDs. And ocassionally Tim attracts editors who are becoming fed up of Wikipedia. Tbo 13:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I use similar subtle techniques myself. Where a link on an Afd/Talk page is appropriate and can be included without looking out-of-place, then I see no reason not to. (A mention that 'certain information is available at' or 'xxx my be more appropriate at... - where restrictions are less rigorous', etc...)
EdJogg 13:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Transport Journal

Hi EdJogg. Can I ask for your comments at Trains:Station Cafe (Left Luggage)#Transport Journal. Comments for the TJ are valuable and we are lacking comments so far. If readers are not satisfied or there are too few readers, it needs a change. Thanks. Tbo 13:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

As you are aware, I don't subscribe to it. Nevertheless, I have left some comments as requested.
EdJogg 01:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


Hey, EdJogg Could you please deliver issues 9 and 10 of the Transport Journal to the users of TSW? I'd do it, but my week has been crazy busy and I'll be out of town this week. Thanks! --DalekX 02:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't get involved with the Transport Journal in any way, so I have no idea how to 'deliver' it. But don't worry about it. The four subscribers have been pretty inactive here recently, so Issue 9 can be published when one of the editors gets back here.
Please be assured this is nothing personal, and I don't want you to think that I would be unwilling to help you with future requests. However, I have made my views on the Transport Journal quite clear (at Trains:Station Cafe (Left Luggage)#Transport Journal) and I reserve the right to chose how to spend my time online.
EdJogg 10:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Tidmouth Forums

Hey, EdJogg

Would you be interested in joining this one forum called "Tidmouth Forums"? It's a cool place. It's really nice there. If you're interested, I'll send you the link. --DalekX 22:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the invite, but I don't usually frequent forum sites (apart from my local football team occasionally). Most of my on-line time is spent at Wikipedia, where I am under the dillusion that I am being globally useful! I can easily fill whatever time I have available there, as there's always something that I haven't quite finished...
EdJogg 09:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

FanFic Warning

I left a warning on ZacheryWanzer (talk · contribs) 's talk page. I warned him to not delete my stories without asking me first. If he Ignores this one more time he will be banned for 7 weeks (49days) or 1176hrs. I you can't ban him if I notify you that he has done it again ask someone who can. Ok? Cheers! C45Te 17:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Mind if I jump in EdJogg?
C45TE; I find your tone to be fairly rude. Several points:
  1. ZW should not have deleted your stories, and I will speak to him further. However, they are not yours once they are submitted to this site! ANYONE can edit them, and this includes deletion of them.
  2. You cannot say how long one can be banned for, nor can you ban them. I suggest you remove those comments or you yourself will find yourself with a ban.
  3. if you have specific problems, speak with ZW, or if necesarry, take it to the (newly formed) Trains:Admin's Notice Board, and get an admin to review it. DO NOT make threats and be uncivil to others.
  4. Finally, i suggest you apologise to EJ and ZW, and also click on the copyrights link below the edit box.
EdJogg; I am going to ask our FanFic admin DalekX to write up some draft guidlines for stories etc, in addition to the general fan fic ones. This seems to be a repeat of the SCRuffey incident, so i think it's time some guidlines appeared.
Also, I think that we may have to re-think the FanFic slightly - but i'll take that to the cafe!
All; I'm going to get together all the related threads and take them to the Admin Noticeboard, unless someone gets there first! Please respond there if it's general, and if not on the relevant user's talk page!
BG7 19:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
BG7, thanks for taking this on. I usually steer clear of the FanFic area, but this seemed to require immediate response. EdJogg 09:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't normally tackle it either, but again it seemed urgent! I see ZW is still being problematic - if there is any more, I suggest a cool down lock on the page (1 week?) and a cool-down block for ZW - 1 day?
I'm happy to deal with the rest of the problem!
BG7 17:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi EdJogg,

I haven't been online for a while so here's the news: my teacher is being hard on me, I'm not the youngest in my year group and I got a Wii. See ya, --S.C.Rf 19:38, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

OK then, I haven't been here recently either.
My news is that I've just bought a 1992 Land Rover! (Defender 110, County Station Wagon, 200Tdi, 5-speed, fully-kitted-out for off-road playing!)
Cheers! EdJogg 13:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Cool! --S.C.Rf 15:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back from Dorset

I'm cross. I missed it because I have the builders in. They only work when I'm here!!!

Closed an odd RFA/AFA while you were away. We do seem to have some unusual members!

Tim Trent Talk to me 13:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Agree... i looked at some of the contributions prior to the RfA and i would have closed outright... this is the user i was thinking of needing to use oversight on... check their userpage... i saw that, unstarred... and worse...
Anyway, to happier things, welcome back EdJogg! You're doing great work with your random page cleaning ;). I just need to find more time!!!
BG7 17:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC) 14:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, I imagine the user is harmless enough. There is enough space for all provided it doesn't creep into main namespace. The user page is bizarre, though. Ah well. Tim Trent Talk to me 22:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The random page edits are just to provide a marker in Recent Changes to see when I was last here! I usually check for trouble first thing in the morning, but only place a marker if there's been lots of activity. Most of my on-line time is still spent at WP, although since buying my Landy I seem to spend a fair time looking at Landy forums too...
I've been leaving the 'Thomas' community to just get on with their edits. Occasionally I'll check a new editor's content for appropriateness. The editor you mentioned also made me consider whether action was required. I nearly asked you guys yesterday, but decided that all was just about OK so far. We'll need to keep an eye on him though!
EdJogg 12:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
He has a warning shot across his bows n
Tim Trent Talk to me 12:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)ow.
I think if we all just monitor we'll be able to keep an eye on it.
On a seperate note (and sorry to clutter your page EdJogg!) PSW is really "taking off" now (sorry, couldn't resist!). Any ideas when TSW(2), SSW, BSW etc are coming online?
BG7 17:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC) 13:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Don't ask me, I'm not really active here at present. If we got more railway editors, then I might get more involved. There's a tractor wiki started by a friend through WP, which also covers traction engines, etc, but I haven't got involved with that either. Too much to do, too little time...
EdJogg 13:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Landy chat

Tell us more about the landrover? I used to have a 12 seat Safari with the old 2.6 litre 6 cylinder petrol engine. Wonderful vehicle, and an amazing engine, until yoiu had to adjust valve clearances on the exhaust. Had to be done while hot, and they are just under the manifold!

Tim Trent Talk to me 12:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

It's a tad newer than yours, but still not 'new'! It is a 1992 (Defender) 110 County Station Wagon: 200Tdi engine (new, with only 20k on clock, car is 156k!!), high-back rear seats (it's only a 5-seater now), and various enhancements for off-roading - not that I've learned how to drive off-road yet!! Pleasantly surprised to find it did about 30mpg on our holiday to Devon and back, and it'll cruise reasonably happily at 60. Very loud in the cabin though -- makes my (poorly) '96 Pug 306 sound decidely quiet!! Even more pleasantly surprised to be told it had a very good chassis on it - always the most important thing...
You can see a pic here. And yes, it does have raised/uprated suspension - about 2" higher than a standard Landy, at a guess - so it's rather amusing to find yourself looking over the roofs of other 4x4 drivers!
Currently it's needing a new voltage regulator for the alternator, so if you know of any car spares places around Bracknell, it would be useful to know!
EdJogg 13:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
That looks fun. Wow. 30mpg is amazing. My old petrol one managed about 17! We had the spare on top of the bonnet. Made it very interesting to oppen! DO go on an offroad driving course. Some of the skills are counter intuitive, like needing to go reasonably fast in deep water, and not using brakes on downhills parts.
Parts... There is a big breaker's yard Yateley way, or Blackwater. I forget where, though. Or you could try Pete at Jag Tek (seriously!) 01344 305873.
I've seen similar regulators on ebay for £7, so I might as well get a new one!
Thanks for the hints. EdJogg 13:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
There's a Cafco, or there was, here:

Tim Trent Talk to me 14:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
If you want to see a longer haired son, try http://timtrent/ with the Sri Lanka stuff!
Tim Trent Talk to me 13:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)