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Parts of the cafe

These were the votes we got:

• Buffet Car: 3
• Round House 6

*Station Cafe 6

• The Works 4
• Refreshment Room 2
• Left Luggage 1
• Goods Yard 2

Now we need to work out the right sub-pages, colleague pages, call them what you will.

The Works has a technical feel. Round House has a lot of votes and is an indoor car park for engines. So where are we going? What looks right? What works best?

Tim Trent 18:44, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Striked thru Station Cafe - already used.

'The Works can be the technical side, Left Luggage can be Misc, Roundhouse can be used for posts specifically about locos or railways. Any more ideas?

Bluegoblin7 22:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

We're so close

I'm having a little challenge distinguishing Left Luggage from Station Cafe itself at present. Thoughts, chapps and chapesses? Tim Trent 15:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

This is the third go I've had at answering your queries this afternoon!

My suggestion is that 'Station Cafe' becomes a Portal (effectively), a 'front page' giving guidance and instructions. 'Left Luggage' then becomes the only miscellaneous page.

The {{Stationcafe}} template should only be used on the Station Cafe (Portal) page. Sub-pages require a MUCH simpler template, with NO introductory text and NO second table of 'where to go links'. They need a very simple template which provides a link back to the front page and cross-links to the other sub-pages (and FAQs, Help, etc). (Obviously, this template will also provide the other generic stuff, such as cats). Introductory text can be done on a per-subpage basis (as I added for The Works).

Hope that helps.

EdJogg 15:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You get the house point!

If it is to be a portal it needs prettifying (outside my skillset). Good idea, we just need to implement it

Simpler templates - total agreement, just too headachy today to knit one. I suppose we could get fancy and have a conditional single template... Beyond my skill though.

Tim Trent 16:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the answer is to extract the current template text and drop it in the Portal page (as it will only be used on one page, a template is a bit excessive!). Then the template can be drastically pruned without modifying the other subpages again. (I should be doing other stuff really -- I've spent too long here today already!)

The 'Portal' page will not need too much prettifying -- at least, not yet, as there are many other help pages and cats that are in a much worse state!

EdJogg 16:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Closer to it. I've substed the template on THIS article's page and started a drastic simplification of the template. We should all join in :) That way we can make a really enormous mess! Tim Trent 17:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Station Cafe (All)

Having compared with the WP equivalent, this page needs to be protected and avoid a '+' tab too. Users need to access the individual pages to post comments and queries. The 'All' page is merely an echo.

EdJogg 16:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It is protected. Good call. Hmm, my brain failed in the middle of <noincludes> and <includeonlies>, which are obviously what are needed. I rather hoped it could go in the template, but I think it has to go in the individual pages. If you don't get to it remind me, but not today. Tim Trent 16:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Simplify from WP

The Wp system of village portal is complex and designed for use with a large community such as theirs. With our smaller community (It always will be smaller), I don't feel the need for such a complex system with 5 sections. It is clear that it is too complex also by the fact that messages here are unnoticed for days. It should be just as simple to use as a user talk page. Instead of borrowing ideas from WP on this one, lets be creative and create something to suit our needs for a small community and not theirs. Thanks :). Tbo 157 12:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Please comment at Trains:Station Cafe (Mess Room)#Simplicity. Thanks. Tbo 157 12:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)